{"id":298,"date":"2014-12-29T13:05:51","date_gmt":"2014-12-29T21:05:51","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/pididu.com\/wordpress\/solarbike\/?p=298"},"modified":"2014-12-29T15:42:48","modified_gmt":"2014-12-29T23:42:48","slug":"deconstructing-a-toroidal-transformer","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/pididu.com\/wordpress\/solarbike\/deconstructing-a-toroidal-transformer\/","title":{"rendered":"Deconstructing a Toroidal Transformer"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Conversion of high power usually requires high currents. This means that the core of an inductor or transformer must be physically large to avoid high magnetic flux that will saturate the magnetic material. I will need such a core for the most recent design concept. Small ferrite cores can be found on the surplus market, but something in the 3-inch-and-up range is hard to come by. I could get a brand new one from a place like Mouser, but would have to pay upwards of $100. But look what I found in the bargain bin at Halted:<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_315\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-315\" style=\"width: 800px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"http:\/\/pididu.com\/wordpress\/solarbike\/files\/2014\/12\/HaltedTorroid.jpg\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-full wp-image-315\" alt=\"toroid on bargain rack\" src=\"http:\/\/pididu.com\/wordpress\/solarbike\/files\/2014\/12\/HaltedTorroid.jpg\" width=\"800\" height=\"600\" srcset=\"http:\/\/pididu.com\/wordpress\/solarbike\/files\/2014\/12\/HaltedTorroid.jpg 800w, http:\/\/pididu.com\/wordpress\/solarbike\/files\/2014\/12\/HaltedTorroid-300x225.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\" \/><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-315\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">3 inches for 3 dollars!<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>My thought was to harvest the (hopefully ferrite) core from one of these transformers, and re-wind my own.<\/p>\n<p>At the bargain bin, I had no way of knowing what the cores inside the transformers would be like. For all I knew, they could have been rings of rusty cast iron. I suppose that if I had a magnet handy, I could have tested for attraction. Or if I had my <a href=\"http:\/\/pididu.com\/wordpress\/blog\/dm4070-lcr-meter-review\/\">inductance meter<\/a>, I could have wound a single loop of wire onto the toroid to measure A<sub>L<\/sub>. Naturally, I had neither of those on hand. But hey, the parts were cheap, and the education would be worth it no matter what. I bought two.<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_303\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-303\" style=\"width: 640px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"http:\/\/pididu.com\/wordpress\/solarbike\/files\/2014\/12\/before.jpg\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-full wp-image-303\" alt=\"toroidal transformer.\" src=\"http:\/\/pididu.com\/wordpress\/solarbike\/files\/2014\/12\/before.jpg\" width=\"640\" height=\"987\" srcset=\"http:\/\/pididu.com\/wordpress\/solarbike\/files\/2014\/12\/before.jpg 640w, http:\/\/pididu.com\/wordpress\/solarbike\/files\/2014\/12\/before-194x300.jpg 194w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 640px) 100vw, 640px\" \/><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-303\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Here is what the transformer looked like before I started taking it apart.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>At home, I was able to put a loop (actually, a few loops) of wire around the toroid, measure the inductance, and calculate A<sub>L<\/sub>. I came up with a value of 2.5 \u03bcH. Encouraging.<\/p>\n<p>I was initially worried that the whole assembly might be potted in epoxy or varnished in place. Thankfully, this was not the case &#8211; everything was held together by tape, which was easily removed.<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_304\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-304\" style=\"width: 640px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"http:\/\/pididu.com\/wordpress\/solarbike\/files\/2014\/12\/RemoveWrap.jpg\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-full wp-image-304\" alt=\"spiral plastic wrap\" src=\"http:\/\/pididu.com\/wordpress\/solarbike\/files\/2014\/12\/RemoveWrap.jpg\" width=\"640\" height=\"524\" srcset=\"http:\/\/pididu.com\/wordpress\/solarbike\/files\/2014\/12\/RemoveWrap.jpg 640w, http:\/\/pididu.com\/wordpress\/solarbike\/files\/2014\/12\/RemoveWrap-300x245.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 640px) 100vw, 640px\" \/><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-304\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Removing the spiral plastic wrap was not hard.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<figure id=\"attachment_305\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-305\" style=\"width: 640px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"http:\/\/pididu.com\/wordpress\/solarbike\/files\/2014\/12\/Terminals.jpg\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-full wp-image-305\" alt=\"terminals\" src=\"http:\/\/pididu.com\/wordpress\/solarbike\/files\/2014\/12\/Terminals.jpg\" width=\"640\" height=\"529\" srcset=\"http:\/\/pididu.com\/wordpress\/solarbike\/files\/2014\/12\/Terminals.jpg 640w, http:\/\/pididu.com\/wordpress\/solarbike\/files\/2014\/12\/Terminals-300x247.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 640px) 100vw, 640px\" \/><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-305\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">The terminals were soldered on and insulated by tape.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>The first thing I unwound was the the lowest voltage secondary. I was surprised by how many turns there were for just 8.5 volts. Previously, I had measured the inductance of this winding at 43.9 mH, and since inductance is proportional to the square of the number of turns, it would have been possible to calculate in advance that there were about 133 turns. The wire was a nice #20 or so, which I thought I might be able to reuse later.<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_306\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-306\" style=\"width: 640px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"http:\/\/pididu.com\/wordpress\/solarbike\/files\/2014\/12\/StartingSecondary.jpg\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-full wp-image-306\" alt=\"secondary winding 1\" src=\"http:\/\/pididu.com\/wordpress\/solarbike\/files\/2014\/12\/StartingSecondary.jpg\" width=\"640\" height=\"476\" srcset=\"http:\/\/pididu.com\/wordpress\/solarbike\/files\/2014\/12\/StartingSecondary.jpg 640w, http:\/\/pididu.com\/wordpress\/solarbike\/files\/2014\/12\/StartingSecondary-300x223.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 640px) 100vw, 640px\" \/><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-306\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">This is the first secondary I unwound. After that arduous task, I realized that it was actually the shortest of all the windings.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>For reasons to be explained later, the maximum number of turns of #20 I would need per secondary in the rewound transformer was 12, so I unwound 15 turns at a time before cutting off a length of wire. Why cut it at all? Because it would have taken a prohibitively long time to remove the long wire in one piece. In fact, I&#8217;m amazed at how the manufacturer can wind hundreds or thousands of turns onto a toroid. What kind of machine must they use?<\/p>\n<p>Unwinding the secondaries took hours. Then came the <em>really<\/em> hard job &#8211; unwinding the primary. The primary was center-tapped, and across the ends had an inductance of 12.35 Henries, which translated to about 2200 turns. The primary seemed to be #34 or so wire &#8211; too fine to be useful to me &#8211; so I could have just cut it off. But I was concerned about damaging the core. And further, I wanted to be responsible and recycle the copper, so didn&#8217;t want a lot of copper dust and fragments. That meant days of manual unwinding, about 5 feet at a time.<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_307\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-307\" style=\"width: 640px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"http:\/\/pididu.com\/wordpress\/solarbike\/files\/2014\/12\/Primary.jpg\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-full wp-image-307\" alt=\"primary\" src=\"http:\/\/pididu.com\/wordpress\/solarbike\/files\/2014\/12\/Primary.jpg\" width=\"640\" height=\"478\" srcset=\"http:\/\/pididu.com\/wordpress\/solarbike\/files\/2014\/12\/Primary.jpg 640w, http:\/\/pididu.com\/wordpress\/solarbike\/files\/2014\/12\/Primary-300x224.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 640px) 100vw, 640px\" \/><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-307\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Now for the <em>really<\/em> hard job &#8211; unwinding the primary.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<figure id=\"attachment_302\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-302\" style=\"width: 640px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"http:\/\/pididu.com\/wordpress\/solarbike\/files\/2014\/12\/TV.jpg\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-full wp-image-302\" alt=\"while watching TV\" src=\"http:\/\/pididu.com\/wordpress\/solarbike\/files\/2014\/12\/TV.jpg\" width=\"640\" height=\"480\" srcset=\"http:\/\/pididu.com\/wordpress\/solarbike\/files\/2014\/12\/TV.jpg 640w, http:\/\/pididu.com\/wordpress\/solarbike\/files\/2014\/12\/TV-300x225.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 640px) 100vw, 640px\" \/><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-302\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">I spent days unwinding literally thousands of turns from the primary. Fortunately, I could watch TV while doing it.  Note the ziploc bags on the table with saved wire from the secondary windings.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<figure id=\"attachment_308\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-308\" style=\"width: 3035px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"http:\/\/pididu.com\/wordpress\/solarbike\/files\/2014\/12\/AlmostFinished.jpg\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-full wp-image-308\" alt=\"almost finished\" src=\"http:\/\/pididu.com\/wordpress\/solarbike\/files\/2014\/12\/AlmostFinished.jpg\" width=\"3035\" height=\"2267\" srcset=\"http:\/\/pididu.com\/wordpress\/solarbike\/files\/2014\/12\/AlmostFinished.jpg 3035w, http:\/\/pididu.com\/wordpress\/solarbike\/files\/2014\/12\/AlmostFinished-300x224.jpg 300w, http:\/\/pididu.com\/wordpress\/solarbike\/files\/2014\/12\/AlmostFinished-1024x764.jpg 1024w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 3035px) 100vw, 3035px\" \/><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-308\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Five days later, and almost done. The green core is finally visible.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<figure id=\"attachment_328\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-328\" style=\"width: 640px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"http:\/\/pididu.com\/wordpress\/solarbike\/files\/2014\/12\/NakedCore.jpg\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" src=\"http:\/\/pididu.com\/wordpress\/solarbike\/files\/2014\/12\/NakedCore.jpg\" alt=\"Bare Ferrite Core\" width=\"640\" height=\"523\" class=\"size-full wp-image-328\" srcset=\"http:\/\/pididu.com\/wordpress\/solarbike\/files\/2014\/12\/NakedCore.jpg 640w, http:\/\/pididu.com\/wordpress\/solarbike\/files\/2014\/12\/NakedCore-300x245.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 640px) 100vw, 640px\" \/><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-328\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">With all the wire removed, the value of the core is increased 40-fold.  As for the labor involved in taking the wire off, it worked out to about minimum wage.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Conversion of high power usually requires high currents. This means that the core of an inductor or transformer must be physically large to avoid high magnetic flux that will saturate the magnetic material. I will need such a core for the most recent design concept. Small ferrite cores can be found on the surplus market, &hellip; <a href=\"http:\/\/pididu.com\/wordpress\/solarbike\/deconstructing-a-toroidal-transformer\/\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading <span class=\"screen-reader-text\">Deconstructing a Toroidal Transformer<\/span> <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[2],"tags":[45,44,43,40,42,41],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"http:\/\/pididu.com\/wordpress\/solarbike\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/298"}],"collection":[{"href":"http:\/\/pididu.com\/wordpress\/solarbike\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"http:\/\/pididu.com\/wordpress\/solarbike\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/pididu.com\/wordpress\/solarbike\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/pididu.com\/wordpress\/solarbike\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=298"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"http:\/\/pididu.com\/wordpress\/solarbike\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/298\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"http:\/\/pididu.com\/wordpress\/solarbike\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=298"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/pididu.com\/wordpress\/solarbike\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=298"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/pididu.com\/wordpress\/solarbike\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=298"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}